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	<title>Comments on: Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland- questionable ethics</title>
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	<description>Because just enough isn&#039;t good enough</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Byrne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Byrne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very embarassed that Clover thinks this way. It shows an enormous lack of perspective, empathy and understanding of much more than society. Society is merely a construct placed upon nature. It is an artificial definition of community and based as it is 100% on a capitalist model, undermines the most basic respect for life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very embarassed that Clover thinks this way. It shows an enormous lack of perspective, empathy and understanding of much more than society. Society is merely a construct placed upon nature. It is an artificial definition of community and based as it is 100% on a capitalist model, undermines the most basic respect for life.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clovers an idiot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clovers an idiot!</p>
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		<title>By: acne therapy</title>
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		<dc:creator>acne therapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our village is always visited by migratory birds coming from other countries. we are advised no to get near them because they might be carrying the Bird Flu virus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our village is always visited by migratory birds coming from other countries. we are advised no to get near them because they might be carrying the Bird Flu virus.</p>
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		<title>By: MelatoninEffects - Side Effects of Melatonin</title>
		<link>http://www.bioethicsinternational.org/blog/2008/07/02/homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-poland/comment-page-1/#comment-34201</link>
		<dc:creator>MelatoninEffects - Side Effects of Melatonin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the use of face masks and boosting your immune system by taking lots of vitamin-C is still an effective way of preventing the spread of the any type of Flu virus. From Avian Flu, Swine Flu and the common Flu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the use of face masks and boosting your immune system by taking lots of vitamin-C is still an effective way of preventing the spread of the any type of Flu virus. From Avian Flu, Swine Flu and the common Flu.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans van den Broek - Beekeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans van den Broek - Beekeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE DANGER OF THE CODEX ALIMENTARIUS IN THE HANDS OF FEW PEOPLE, FIRMS, ORGANISATIONS, POLTITICS AND GOVERNMENTS.........We must STOP this as citizen Worldwide.

Velp the Netherlands 12 July 2009,

Dear Friends,

As Beekeeper in Europe in a small country as the Netherlands I see in the near future but also now today a lot damage from Chemical- and Pharmaceutical Firms Worldwide because our Governments make to bad mistakes.

Also I ask you all to start with...
&quot;Kill the Poison and safe the insects, fish, ambibians, birds, animals, the live in the soil, the water and the air, also the plants, bush and trees but also safe your Beekeepers and their &#039;Pollinators&#039; the honeybees and their endconsumers of all kind bee-products like pollen, honey, propolis, royal yelly because we find a lot bad parts in this products......It can make human people infertile, sterile, bring them heartproblems but also cancer.

STOP with use products like Roundup (et al) with Glyphosate and their Metabolite AMPA.......We find it in the air, the water, the soil also in our groundwater-drinkwater and in our food........As POISON.

Did you know that plants, bush and trees with yello flowers give in the most case PA&#039;s Pyrrolizidine Alkaloïden......It give human people when they eat this to much) cancer is that what we will?
Fine Dust is bad for your DNA and it give cancer. PAK&#039;s give cancer, also Poison in the Agriculture.
It is for me the rason to give since the year 2005 no bee-products to other people or sell this products.

I use the Beecolonies to help the Environment, the Biodiversity and the Pollination of plants, bush and trees.  

Ask other people to give a reaction on my e-mailaddress hans.v.d.broek@planet.nl 

Best regards,
Hans van den Broek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE DANGER OF THE CODEX ALIMENTARIUS IN THE HANDS OF FEW PEOPLE, FIRMS, ORGANISATIONS, POLTITICS AND GOVERNMENTS&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;We must STOP this as citizen Worldwide.</p>
<p>Velp the Netherlands 12 July 2009,</p>
<p>Dear Friends,</p>
<p>As Beekeeper in Europe in a small country as the Netherlands I see in the near future but also now today a lot damage from Chemical- and Pharmaceutical Firms Worldwide because our Governments make to bad mistakes.</p>
<p>Also I ask you all to start with&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Kill the Poison and safe the insects, fish, ambibians, birds, animals, the live in the soil, the water and the air, also the plants, bush and trees but also safe your Beekeepers and their &#8216;Pollinators&#8217; the honeybees and their endconsumers of all kind bee-products like pollen, honey, propolis, royal yelly because we find a lot bad parts in this products&#8230;&#8230;It can make human people infertile, sterile, bring them heartproblems but also cancer.</p>
<p>STOP with use products like Roundup (et al) with Glyphosate and their Metabolite AMPA&#8230;&#8230;.We find it in the air, the water, the soil also in our groundwater-drinkwater and in our food&#8230;&#8230;..As POISON.</p>
<p>Did you know that plants, bush and trees with yello flowers give in the most case PA&#8217;s Pyrrolizidine Alkaloïden&#8230;&#8230;It give human people when they eat this to much) cancer is that what we will?<br />
Fine Dust is bad for your DNA and it give cancer. PAK&#8217;s give cancer, also Poison in the Agriculture.<br />
It is for me the rason to give since the year 2005 no bee-products to other people or sell this products.</p>
<p>I use the Beecolonies to help the Environment, the Biodiversity and the Pollination of plants, bush and trees.  </p>
<p>Ask other people to give a reaction on my e-mailaddress <a href="mailto:hans.v.d.broek@planet.nl">hans.v.d.broek@planet.nl</a> </p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Hans van den Broek</p>
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		<title>By: Sadun Kal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadun Kal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clover,

Homeless people shouldn&#039;t even be homeless. Would you feel &quot;generally useless&quot; too if you somehow lost all your money, all your friends and family and became a drug addict tomorrow?

The focus should be more on helping such people become productive members of the society instead of using their inability to contribute to the society as an argument against their right to live.

The science behind viruses and vaccines is actually pretty weak on the fundamental level anyway. Scientists should first question their logic and chain of assumptions instead of basing more and more experiments on their illogical assumptions, which are likely to be wrong due to the lack of scientific rigor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clover,</p>
<p>Homeless people shouldn&#8217;t even be homeless. Would you feel &#8220;generally useless&#8221; too if you somehow lost all your money, all your friends and family and became a drug addict tomorrow?</p>
<p>The focus should be more on helping such people become productive members of the society instead of using their inability to contribute to the society as an argument against their right to live.</p>
<p>The science behind viruses and vaccines is actually pretty weak on the fundamental level anyway. Scientists should first question their logic and chain of assumptions instead of basing more and more experiments on their illogical assumptions, which are likely to be wrong due to the lack of scientific rigor.</p>
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		<title>By: Clover</title>
		<link>http://www.bioethicsinternational.org/blog/2008/07/02/homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-poland/comment-page-1/#comment-13684</link>
		<dc:creator>Clover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I don&#039;t think this is so bad. It&#039;s probably a misunderstanding of the sort that the clinicians asked the homeless people, &quot;Do you want to take part in this study on Influenza A virus subtype H5N1? We will give you a little money, and it could potentially save millions or billions of people if an outbreak happens.&quot; and the homeless people are like &quot;oh, a type of flu, that&#039;s nothing bad, and I really need that money for my child/alcohol addiction/lotto tickets&quot;

Besides, even taking into account that they died, at least they managed to give back to society somehow. Homeless people, while sometimes they&#039;re homeless due to just bad luck, are generally useless. I&#039;d much rather they try out H5N1 vaccines on homeless people than on small children or the general public, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t think this is so bad. It&#8217;s probably a misunderstanding of the sort that the clinicians asked the homeless people, &#8220;Do you want to take part in this study on Influenza A virus subtype H5N1? We will give you a little money, and it could potentially save millions or billions of people if an outbreak happens.&#8221; and the homeless people are like &#8220;oh, a type of flu, that&#8217;s nothing bad, and I really need that money for my child/alcohol addiction/lotto tickets&#8221;</p>
<p>Besides, even taking into account that they died, at least they managed to give back to society somehow. Homeless people, while sometimes they&#8217;re homeless due to just bad luck, are generally useless. I&#8217;d much rather they try out H5N1 vaccines on homeless people than on small children or the general public, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: The Autism Retort 2008 &#187; Doctors are Only Good And Their Ethics Should Never Be Questioned</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Autism Retort 2008 &#187; Doctors are Only Good And Their Ethics Should Never Be Questioned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland- questionable ethics [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland- questionable ethics [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the information on the bird flu vacine, Jennifer. I can&#039;t beleive doctors would do something as horrible as that!
 
We recently wrote an  &lt;a href=&quot;http://brainblogger.com/2008/07/04/ethical-obligations-of-health-care-workers-during-a-pandemic/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; on pandemics at &lt;a href=&quot;http://brainblogger.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brain Blogger&lt;/a&gt;. Did you know that if a pandemic struck today it could result in 2 to 7.4 million deaths? So, how would the medical community react to this sort of outbreak? Would they would turn away patients in fear, and that lead be more death?
 
We would like to read your comments on our article. Thank you.
 
Sincerely,
Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the information on the bird flu vacine, Jennifer. I can&#8217;t beleive doctors would do something as horrible as that!</p>
<p>We recently wrote an  <a href="http://brainblogger.com/2008/07/04/ethical-obligations-of-health-care-workers-during-a-pandemic/" rel="nofollow">article</a> on pandemics at <a href="http://brainblogger.com/" rel="nofollow">Brain Blogger</a>. Did you know that if a pandemic struck today it could result in 2 to 7.4 million deaths? So, how would the medical community react to this sort of outbreak? Would they would turn away patients in fear, and that lead be more death?</p>
<p>We would like to read your comments on our article. Thank you.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Autism : Doctors are Only Good And Their Ethics Should Never Questioned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autism : Doctors are Only Good And Their Ethics Should Never Questioned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doctors are Only Good And Their Ethics Should Never Questioned   These doctors should be insulted, like Dr. Hotez, at the idea that vaccine professionals might be lying about vaccine risks or looking out for anything other than the health concerns of individual patients!Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland- questionable ethicsI mean, so what if the docs lied to homeless about the bird flu vaccine they were testing on them and 21 of them died, they got paid like almost five bucks! Besides... greater good and all that.... and don&#039;t miss the blurb at the end about paramedics killing patients for funeral home commissions. Priceless.   Published Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:13 PM by Adventures in Autism [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doctors are Only Good And Their Ethics Should Never Questioned   These doctors should be insulted, like Dr. Hotez, at the idea that vaccine professionals might be lying about vaccine risks or looking out for anything other than the health concerns of individual patients!Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland- questionable ethicsI mean, so what if the docs lied to homeless about the bird flu vaccine they were testing on them and 21 of them died, they got paid like almost five bucks! Besides&#8230; greater good and all that&#8230;. and don&#8217;t miss the blurb at the end about paramedics killing patients for funeral home commissions. Priceless.   Published Wednesday, July 02, 2008 11:13 PM by Adventures in Autism [...]</p>
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